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patricia rorrer update 2020

    patricia rorrer update 2020

    Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. To be sure, an appellant does not have to *prove* (convince) of innocence to have been wrongfully convicted (even if they are in fact guilty but I digress). Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. No charmed life. While most of the documentaries come out as reinforcing her guilt, albeit most of them giving differing accounts of the speculation which was presented at her trial, some going even further by showing scenes that were offered as theories at her trial, as FACT. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Highly charged case. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? Your email address will not be published. When she stood trial that same year, she maintained her innocence and alleged that she and Andrew Katrinak had continued to stay in touch as good friends, so she wouldn't do anything to hurt him. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Search is on. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. Patricia, who moved from PA to North Carolina, made long distance calls from her home practically every day, except for the time period between December 11 and 16. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. Keep up your delusions. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? 18+ When 21-year old Jessie Morrison is brutally beaten to death, police zero in on Vonda Smith. And Patricia wasnt all edges. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. And then there are documentaries (video and audio) which, by all accounts, stick to the facts and make a compelling case for her innocence. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Just saying. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Thus Im confident shes the perp probably mentally disturbed at the time (the thought of her rationally, coolly killing her babies is too horrible), though probably not to the standard for criminal mitigation. It was Patricias hair no question. Please read her story. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. November 2020; October 2020; September 2020; August 2020; July 2020; June 2020; May 2020; April 2020; March 2020; . Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. Meticulous primping. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Very similar. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. She is sitting in Muncey Women's Correctional Facility for over 23 years now for something. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Rather, Im conservative when it comes to potential disagreement with the jury: I wasnt there to see/hear evidence and to declare theyre wrong! Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? After . Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Hoist by your own petard. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). I dont think so. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Thank you Kerry. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. Book her. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! 1 talking about this. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Creating your profile on CaseMine allows you to build your network with fellow lawyers and prospective clients. PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Unbloody vehicle. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. You people are fighting a losing cause! The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. While not a guilt sceptic, I suggest this was either ill-conceived expression or an expression of misguided mindset for its not for the defendant (albeit now convict) to convince of innocence but for prosecution to convince of guilt (and per appeal, that guilt is safe rather than innocence unproven). If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. I cant lose them, he told the media. The District Attorney got this one right. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Prosecutor pounds away. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. Or did they? Lehigh Cty.) A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Rorrer has appealed her conviction several times and her supporters believe additional DNA. This is untrue. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. You are absolutely right. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. It seems so, according to you. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. Especially mice! And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. See Commonwealth v. Rorrer, CP-39- CR-0002176-1997 (C.C.P. On January 11, 2021, Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. It makes me sick. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. DNA also doesnt lie. There appears to be evidence of her disturbed thinking shortly prior to the event (inc her stating she knows who the perp was shortly after but would not identify because its her?) Most damning of all the evidence is the hair which was DNA matched to Rorrer which was instrumental in her conviction. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Why? Both were deceased. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. I noticed quite a few errors myself. None. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. How is it that these women are paroled? Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. And Patricia did live in another state. Conflicting versions. I hope she rots in hell. I have been following this case for a very long time, watching nearly all the available documentaries and have also read the book, Convenient Suspect, by Tammy Mal as well as acquiring a great deal of information which has emerged since the trial with regard to this case. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. I therefore, perhaps naively, default to the judicial systems eventually getting the decision right. Claps! Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). But I suppose you havent a clue about that. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. Patricia Rorrer will burn in hell, as she should. They broke up in 1993. I hope and pray the cops and the husband will finally do the right thing. Phone records dont lie.) The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? How would an intruder find it? Patricia is a evil monster. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. These are brutal, aggressive crimes in their own right, but that. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Not gender neutral. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. The likelihood of a mad slasher invading the home, engaging in infanticide, over against her own perpetration, is almost nil. Flaw in reasoning. Animals would have for sure. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. Patricia Rorrer was convicted in 1998 of murdering a young mother named Joann Katrinak as well as her 15-week old infant son. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. He was happy. And I have absolutely no sympathy. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. Pal stays true. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. she didnt need to . Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. Beautifully said Cliff! Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th.

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